A post was written
trying to explain the effects of detraining but we stayed short of what happens
to elite athletes with high volume, high intensity training.The effects mentioned in the previous post
are for age-groupers but detraining has implications on technique and the
effect of gene inductions that take place when training for years, i.e., the
gene induced that helps us to go fast shut down after certain time and we need
at least the same level of intensity to induce them again.This is an empirical observation, of course,
but it is backed up after looking at athletes that try to come back.Technique does not come back as fast as we
would like to, and it is like learning to walk back again after a cast in one
of our lower extremities.
Swimming 200 meters
at the same speed that the elite swimmer used to, takes at least two years, if
we decide to work on coming back conscientiously.The longer the swim the longer it takes to
come back to the same speed per distance.This is the reason why ironman distance elite competitors are unable to perform
well at Olympic distance triathlons.They suffer from detraining at the end, even though they swim, bike and
run.
I first heard this more
formally from Paul Bergen who mentioned that he told Inge de Bruijn that she
was not going to compete in 200 meters crawl because she stopped months without
formal training and could not have enough training to compete in 200 meters; it
was a year and half before the Athens’ Olympics.Inge was trained for 50 meters and 100 meters
and medaled in the Olympics.Also, we
know that Ian Thorpe stayed too far from being competitive after he tried to
come back.Triathlon is the same thing
or even worse.I remembered Vanessa
Fernandes being lapped at Huatulco when she was trying to come back.Paula Findley did not finish at Madrid (2013)
and it does not look that she is coming back.Detraining is a reversible condition but there is a limited time in life,
and the world is getting faster.Technique has improved and what somebody has as technique is obsolete
even if retrained.
RECOVERING TRAINED STATES
TAKES MUCH LONGER THAN IT DOES TO LOSE THEM
Hsu, K. M., & Hsu, T. G. (1999). The effects of detraining
and retraining on swimming propulsive force and blood lactate. Medicine
and Science in Sports and Exercise, 31(5), Supplement abstract 1400.
The effects of detraining and retraining on 50 and 400-m performance,
arm stroke propulsive power, lactate, and lactate dehydrogenase in crawl stroke
swimming were investigated. Male college swimmers (N = 18) detrained for 85
days by not performing any swimming. Retraining consisted of covering between
3,500-6,000 m per day for 91 days.
After detraining 50-m times regressed 3.4% and 400-m times regressed by
7%. Arm stroke propulsive power regressed by 12%. Peak lactate for the 400 swim
was 22% lower. After retraining, 50-m times and arm-stroke propulsive power had
not returned to the levels exhibited before detraining. Lactate dehydrogenase
was unaltered by either detraining or retraining.
It was concluded that recovering lost training effects takes much longer
than the period of time in which they were lost.
Implication. Recovering training effects takes much longer than losing them through
detraining. It would be wise to avoid detraining.
There is another form of
detraining I have seen in athletes who try to come back after practicing
another sport like ironman. Macca had years of detraining when trying to come
back to Olympic distance triathlon.It
looks that “cross training” is useless when competing at a high level and
detraining exists significantly when comparing through performance.Training is very specific for the sport we
practice.There is an interesting
article written that deals with the gross physiological variables of
detraining, but there are more subtle differences at the cells as enzymes.WE CAN SEE THE RESULTS WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO
COME BACK FROM AN INJURY OR AFTER STOPPING:
I was pleased when Cesar Menotti was the Mexican Coach
for Soccer, it happened in the 90’s. He is
a very knowledgeable man on human affairs; people call him a philosopher.He is more than that, he is practicing philosopher.When coaching Argentina, he
had to deal with Maradona, Valdano and was the one who started the soccer
coaching tradition in Argentina winning the first Wold Cup for Argentina when
Valdano played the final against Holland.Mexico was not ready to play at the level that Menotti wanted (I do not
know if it will be with our “piojo” coach, who hardly can speak a coherent word).Menotti was fired because nobody understood
what he said.There are article written
about Menotti, which are tied to what Valdano talks about during the interview
copied below:
…His vision of the game is a world away from his younger counterparts
with their earphones, laptop computers, designer suits, statistics and emphasis
on compactness and organization.
Menotti prefers the word
“ideas” to “tactics” and once described a footballer as “a privileged
interpreter of the dreams and feelings of thousands of people”.
Menotti took charge of Argentina in 1974 when the team had earned an
unsavoury reputation for violence and gamesmanship.
Under his leadership, Argentina reverted to the flowing,
attacking game which they had used until the 1960s, the national team became
the priority instead of the clubs and Argentina once again became a major
soccer power.
Menotti went on to coach Barcelona and Atletico Madrid in Spain, Boca
Juniors in his homeland, Uruguay’s Penarol and the Mexican national side.
At 68, it could be the swansong for a man who is still much admired
around the world. Can he reverse his recent trend of failure and prove there is
still room for an old romantic in an increasingly ruthless sport?
I would say that romanticism should not go away.Valdano somehow wants to retake what Menotti
left in today’s world.Valdano was trained by
him and knows that soccer should not be for the world of Slatan Ibrahimovic:
Ibrahimović has been involved in several violent
incidents with teammates, some of which have gone viral on the internet. In
2011, Ibrahimović kicked teammate Antonio Cassano
in the face while Cassano was speaking to reporters.[109]
Ibrahimović has also kicked teammates Christian
Wilhelmsson and Rodney Strasser
during training, both caught on camera.[110][111]
After a 2004 international friendly against Holland,
Ajax teammate Rafael
van der Vaart publicly accused Ibrahimović of deliberately injuring
him during the game. Ibrahimović responded by threatening to break both of Van
der Vaart's legs.[112]
Ibrahimović also punched Ajax teammate Mido
in the dressing room.[112]
Ibrahimović had a falling-out with Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola,
culminating in a dressing room incident in which Ibrahimović threw a training
kit box across the room and screamed insults at Guardiola. Guardiola eventually
refused to speak to Ibrahimović and loaned him out to A.C. Milan.[113]
Barcelona vice-president Carles Vilarrubi reported that Ibrahimović threatened
to publicly beat up Guardiola if he was not released to A.C. Milan.[114]
In 2010, Ibrahimović was involved in a training ground
fist-fight with A.C. Milan teammate Oguchi Onyewu,
after Ibrahimović made a two-footed tackle on him, then headbutted him. The
session was abandoned after the two players were separated, and Ibrahimović
suffered a broken rib. Onyewu had accused Ibrahimović of repeatedly insulting
him.[112][115]
In March 2011, Ibrahimović was given a three-match ban
for punching Bari defender Marco Rossi in the
stomach during a game.[116]
He received another three-match ban in February 2012 for slapping Napoli player
Salvatore Aronica.[117]
After Sweden's 1–0 victory over the Faroe Islands in October
2012, Faroes captain Frodi Benjaminsen
accused Ibrahimović of foul play and insults, describing him as
"arrogant", "childish", "ignorant" and a
"dirty player".[118]
In November 2012, Ibrahimović received a two-match ban
for kicking St Etienne goalkeeper Stéphane
Ruffier in the chest.[119][120]
In December 2012, Ibrahimović was accused by Lyon defender Dejan Lovren
and president Jean-Michel Aulas
of deliberately stamping on Lovren's head.[121]
In February 2013, UEFAhanded Ibrahimović a two-match ban for stamping on Valencia winger Andrés Guardado.[122][123]
In March 2013, PSG winger Lucas Moura
claimed that Ibrahimović regularly insulted team-mates, stating “He always asks
for the ball and insults a lot. He is sometimes a bit arrogant and complains.”[124]
In May 2013, Ibrahimović was filmed screaming at sporting director Leonardo
after PSG's title victory.[125]
On December 2013, Ibrahimović caused controversy in
his homeland after he was quoted suggesting that the country's female
footballers should be rewarded with bicycles instead of cars.[126]
At the same time that the Argentina soccer team debuted in the World 1978 , the
Buenos Aires writer Jorge Luis Borges dictated a lecture on immortality. The
fact that it could be an insignificant coincidence made sense, because in
that city people, amid one of the most ferocious dictatorships, celebrating the
crazed "mass" football. It was probably one of the occurrences with
which the writer showed disdain for the keywords it considered vulgar .
For Borges , football was aesthetically ugly and compared with malice, with
cockfighting , which considered more beautiful , as occurring " right
there , next to each other , are ideal for short-sighted ."
This distancing between football and the world of culture was for a long time
irreducible. The world of thought reduced the game to a condition of social
anesthesia. Football, for many, was and still is the opium of the people. Not
for Jorge Valdano , former player to hang his boots took the pen and microphone
to think otherwise .
“If football was out of thought is that the intellectual left us alone ,"
says one who was champion with Argentina in the 1986 World Cup . "The
responsibility is theirs, not ours."
Valdano is famous for turning football into a permanent territory of
reflection, because he is convinced that a sport that brings crowds, aroused
such intense passions and ritualized relationships, deserves to be thought
otherwise.
“Now begins to feel that he lost intellectuals fear football, to reflect on the
subject, at least to try to understand why so many people move and why move so
many emotions," he says.
Valdano not play the stereotypical man prone to hyperbole and exclamations
football. When he speaks carefully select each expression, as if the speech
result in a possible piece of paper and not in the air . As he settles into the
chair an elegant Reforma, aristocracy or exhibits certain classicism, as if
that also express their idea of the perfect football. For that reason, some
have committed considers exaggerations - and - so common in the sports media,
and called it the philosopher or professor of football. He has even been
described as a poet, but clarifies that way to insult. “It suited my mother
insulted me like that “jokes to make clear that there are serious nicknames
that have hung.
The strangeness of his speech in football comes from a kind of prestige that
sport has had among the intellectual elites, Valdano believes. That grimace of
contempt that people of letters shown in public smelling a ball as attributed
to old prejudice against popular expressions.
“Distrust of intellectuals football has also been a distrust of the mass,"
Valdano thinks. “And in football the dough is very sectarian, because there is
a polarization of feelings: To enjoy this game is necessary for one love a team
and allow hatred to another That frightens intellectuals, because in that
Manichean division the nuances and thinking just disappears.”
Thinking and building was then reviews the other way that Valdano dribbled with
the ball. From his years as a player of the Argentina team has distinguished
himself as a man setting out his ideas. And that is your personal style.
"For people in the world of letters arriving soccer have been several ,
from Manuel Vázquez Montalbán, Juan Roberto Fontanarrosa or Villoro . What had
happened is that no one crossed the bridge from the world of football to the
world of letters " he says. "There are more players who make the same
as me, but I touched my role to represent intellectual footballer ," says
laughs and so you do not take it too seriously .
He says that when he traveled to Argentina towards the World Cup in Spain in
1982 , in the throes of the Falklands war waged by the dictatorship , just got
on the plane the team received a manual in which they were instructed how
respond in interviews. Valdano asked the then national coach Cesar Luis Menotti
, what to do with the document. “El flaco” replied sharply: "Do what your
conscience dictate you, regardless of respect “ And Valdano decided to review
in his own ideas. So much so that when he came to Real Madrid as a player in 1984,
he took over as antiwar and socialist, a statement that caused controversy at
the time.
"Often they are criticized by players always answer the same, but it often
happens that those who attack are precisely those that always ask the same,
then do not have much right to complain ," Valdano answers .
For him, the players are
not stupid, as touts popular opinion. In fact, says that major players usually
possess a temper that sometimes saves in mischief and lucidity. “At the highest
level, players are virtually no fools," he says with conviction.
Triathlon should create better humans being than
soccer.Success in triathlon requires
many skills and they are not covered by a team work when performing.The performer (triathlete) should be able to
introduce the coaches in himself/herself to perform well, many years before
the task of performing. Precisely, the goal of education is the introduction of significant people in our way of thinking and behaving for good or bad. The way Valdano introduced Menotti in himself.
We have
been talking about it.Parents are
asking whether talent exist, and I read a provocative article that made write
again:
The 10,000hr rule and
why talent and genes matter
The problem is that we've oversimplified genetics and
talent. Talent has almost become a negative word. It’s often used in the
context that if someone is talented they don’t work hard, as in “oh, he’s just
really talented,” to explain a persons success. People want to buy completely
into Gladwell and the Talent Code because it tells them that they can do
anything with hard work. Sorry, you’re wrong. Hard work is a key ingredient,
but it has to be combined “talent” to reach outlier status. Is the purpose of
this post to discourage you from working hard? No, the idea should be that it
takes hard work to reach YOUR limits. It’s impossible to know you’re ceiling,
but if you work hard and don’t quiet reach you’re goal, it’s most likely
because you didn’t work hard enough.
Are we training intelligently instead of training just
training hard?This should be the question.Moving in the water is a matter of
coordinating the whole body, every part of the body.For the sake of explaining it, when swimming,
leaving the leg or the shoulder in the water while moving forward creates a
huge amount of resistance which requires smart training to overcome it.It is not a matter of how hard we train but
how intelligently we train.How much we
can learn to feel the movement that creates resistance and feel the movement to
overcome it.Gennadi Tourestki speaks of
10,000 hours in the water to DISCOVER TALENT.If we spend 10,000 hours in the water,
chances are that we created talent if we have a good education to do things the
best of our educational ability (assuming that our education is the best).
Albert Einsten would say that education is what limits
his learning process.
What is what you look for when looking for talent? Education, the rest will come if you work hard.
